tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914021364911442901.post975008097730600638..comments2023-10-24T05:45:48.302-05:00Comments on VIEW FROM THE MOON: The Persistence of DishonestyFleminghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11134828658060646685noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914021364911442901.post-25881941540650365502007-05-18T19:31:00.000-05:002007-05-18T19:31:00.000-05:00Hello Fleming,It was good for your point to includ...Hello Fleming,<BR/><BR/>It was good for your point to include criticism from someone people would generally expect to be sympathetic toward a book such as Peters'.<BR/><BR/>However, it was bad for your point to cut the citation off as to miss the meat of what they were saying. In the case of your quote of Daniel Pipes' review of From Time Immemorial, you include:<BR/><BR/>"I would not dispute the existence of those faults. From Time Immemorial quotes carelessly, uses statistics sloppily, and ignores inconvenient facts. Much of the book is irrelevant to Miss Peters's central thesis. The author's linguistic and scholarly abilities are open to question."<BR/><BR/>You could have even included the following sentence that continues Pipes' criticism,<BR/><BR/>"Excessive use of quotation marks, eccentric footnotes, and a polemical, somewhat hysterical undertone mar the book. In short, From Time Immemorial stands out as an appallingly crafted book."<BR/><BR/>But to be taken seriously or seen as objective in any sense of the word, you would have had to include where Pipes' says this which is just one paragraph below where you stopped your citation,<BR/><BR/>"Granting all this, the fact remains that the book presents a thesis that <B>neither Professor Porath nor any other reviewer has so far succeeded in refuting</B>. Miss Peters's central thesis is that a substantial immigration of Arabs to Palestine took place during the first half of the twentieth century. She supports this argument with an array of demographic statistics and contemporary accounts, the bulk of which have not been questioned by any reviewer, including Professor Porath."<BR/><BR/>I noticed your post here that collects the conclusions of people who have reviewed the book also fails to actually provide the refuting data. Don't get me wrong, when you've cited enough opinion that all concludes a book is a sham, it is convincing, but what would be more convincing is to actually post the information that illustrates this conclusion rather than just repeats it.<BR/><BR/>For those interested in something other than carefully edited citations, here is the link to Pipes' full review: http://www.danielpipes.org/article/1110<BR/><BR/>-Smitty BrohamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914021364911442901.post-83995940238080961192007-02-23T07:39:00.000-05:002007-02-23T07:39:00.000-05:00N., thank you. I've read the Primer you cited and...N., thank you. I've read the Primer you cited and it has filled in some missing parts of the picture for me and refreshed my memory about others. One thing I had not realized was the extent of the responsibility of the British for expediting Zionist movement into Palestine before the Second World War. I see that the English have a lot of responsbility for creating the situation which led the UN to recommend a Jewish state in Palestine. It's interesting, isn't it, that the Zionists always cite the UN as the source of the "legitimacy" of Israel but ignore all the rest of the UN partition plan. Typical.Fleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134828658060646685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914021364911442901.post-42312396827370083702007-02-22T21:50:00.000-05:002007-02-22T21:50:00.000-05:00Hi Fleming, no I haven't written about it, but the...Hi Fleming, no I haven't written about it, but the history I was thinking about goes farther than the age of National socialism in Germany. <BR/><BR/>Here's <A HREF="http://www.merip.org/palestine-israel_primer/brit-mandate-pal-isr-prime.html" REL="nofollow">a primer</A>.Najhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728668942925956610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914021364911442901.post-73610539363433484292007-02-22T10:17:00.000-05:002007-02-22T10:17:00.000-05:00Nabila and N., thank you very much for the comment...Nabila and N., thank you very much for the comments. <BR/><BR/>Nabila, I wish I had such a wide readership that this post would bury the Peters book for good.<BR/><BR/>N., I have only a general knowledge of the history you mentioned, but I would like to know a lot more. If you've written about it elsewhere, or intend to write about it, please tell me. I know that the English were treacherous ("as usual" I want to say), and I know that there was considerable interplay between Arab nationalists and the German National Socialist government.Fleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134828658060646685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914021364911442901.post-73743411439317689032007-02-21T17:33:00.000-05:002007-02-21T17:33:00.000-05:00Heh!Interesting. I think the argument of Palestini...Heh!<BR/>Interesting. <BR/>I think the argument of Palestinians being recent immigrants is so thin that the majority of zionists I hear are just content with the "Jealous Loser Arab" argument!<BR/><BR/>Something that I wish was more spoken about was the interplay between the Ottoman empire and the Europeans (mostly the British) in that region. Somehow I feel that piece of history is well tucked under the carpet and the Jews are made the subject of Arab hatred (and vice versa) for reasons beyond their own doings!!Najhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728668942925956610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914021364911442901.post-45192461773091349302007-02-21T15:50:00.000-05:002007-02-21T15:50:00.000-05:00Well done, Fleming! I often forget that most of t...Well done, Fleming! I often forget that most of the general public remains in ignorance of these colossal frauds. People like Joan Peters need to be exposed again and again... and again...Nabila Harbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13606315872682891512noreply@blogger.com